Ok just to start I love all music. There is no genre/subgenre out there that I havent either bought or listened too im pretty open minded to music, but I have noticed a trend on this site since it changed and thats the amount of visualkei (nagoya kei oshare kei ero guro etc) its a cool scene I have to admit and some bands are really talented, although I really miss the tonberry which had some really hard to find japanese ska, punk, shoegaze,noise and Psychedelic bands, stuff were if you went to a art space in the middle of some dive area you would see these bands. That stuff no longer sems to come up any more and its too bad cause you can get most vikei stuff of soulseek or other sources this site was unique it had stuff you couldnt get anywhere. My best friend said yesterday that he hates Jrock he says and I qoute "why listen to a genre thats all about makeup and lolita goth clothes with a fake punk attitude, if I wanted that I would listen to some T-rex or the faces its the same crap", that made me sad since Jrock is such a broad term like metal it has a million sub genres but since most people only see visual kei stuff they start to think jrock=visualkei. I might be writing this cause Im mad I missed Rockahula Goose perform a couple of days ago and ended up seeing some band that just tried way to hard to look cool and didnt even seem intrested in playing or enjoying the audience experience. So if anyone has some cool stuff like some ska or some punk bands that are just not getting anywhere post there stuff lets get some diffrent stuff going again on this site.
Well sadly, most so called overseas fans are mostly interested in vkieee.
I like vkie too, but I admit most vkiee bands suck ass big time. Looks go before music, (cough) oshare?
So you will see lots of VK stuff here. Means lots of bad music.
Quotewhich had some really hard to find japanese ska, punk, shoegaze,noise and Psychedelic bands, stuff were if you went to a art space in the middle of some dive area you would see these bands. That stuff no longer sems to come up any more and its too bad cause you can get most vikei stuff of soulseek or other sources this site was unique it had stuff you couldnt get anywhere.
Most of the users that posted those files have moved over to my website bfm (http://blackflowermusic.com/bt).
We got a lot of the Avant-garde, noise, and/or experimental sorts of music over there. Not very much ska, but I'm sure you could request some.
This place really isn't so bad. I mean, sure you have the people who only pay attention to how a band looks instead of the music. Rather, you'll always have people who only look at the more ...shallow.... aspects of music. But there's an occasional album or two I'll find myself downloading here. I don't really "go looking" much on soulseek anymore since if it's something I really want, chances are I'll find it here. Like metronome or Dir en grey or something. I really enjoyed that Daisuke Asakura torrent. That's definately not something that fits the norm here, but it's still damn good.
I don't listen to a lot of the stuff posted here, and I don't upload things here any more because the community is more Visual Kei and Japanese "rock" music. While nobody should be discouraged from uploading whatever they want, sometimes you'll get attacked if you upload something that's not J rock. One time someone uploaded some Psy trance, and he got yelled at when they found out it wasn't J rock. I thought that was really shallow, and incredibly immature. Back in the day, rock was in the majority but if something wasn't "rock" music then it was still alright. You wouldn't get chewed out because of it. It's almost sad that it's come to that.
Damn it, I was just about to post the same thing, albeit in a more hilarious manner that would've probably gotten me banned again.
And yeah, most of us at bfm have shitloads of esoteric music (I've got some Japanese ska if you want it, request at the forums), so it is good for that. And it is good to find Zion Punch (http://myspace.com/zionpunch) releases, because that is usually the only place I remember to upload them. Eventually someone will mention something about Mininova and it will make its way over to those sites.
Oh and VK sucks.
I say that even though I like a few bands, mostly to look more inflammatory.
the motivator, i think you've just moved up maslow's hierarchy of needs.
(http://staff.gc.maricopa.edu/~jpell/blackboard/MASLOW.JPG)
I would say your on the top now, while a considerable portion of this board would be located in "Saftey And Security" area.
You also touch upon what will be an annoying dillema for the increase of populariy with vk: the growing generalization of people thinking jrock is another term for vkei, when vkei is actually a sub-genre that is considerably more controversial when it comes to questions of quality compared to jrock. It's a shame that this place is what is now compared to what it was, but Im not gonna throw fire on that because idol was polite and I wanna be cool too. Although, i do like an oven roast.
to be honest, if it wasnt for the Zeig-Heil "this is not visual-kei !! EINES!" (love that front page), overall lack of humor about vkei possibly sounding like crap to other people and no moi dix moi torrents, this place wouldn't be so bad. Sry for putting in my 2-cents, ill go back to logging in once every month or so.
Well I admit I like VK. But I do remember the old tonberry days when day after day there was some discography or something really worth downloading. Nowadays I find a lot of rare stuff on livejornal communities. I am trying to upload other stuff though such as jpop, kpop, and krock.
ah yes, the time when tonberry was a tracker. had a lot more stuff. not that i really mind but it's really all vkei.
the stuff that isn't gets pushed down too...
btw, maslow ftw.
hey i'm trying to put some non-vk stuff on the tracker but no one really takes up on it xD i agree it's not a good thing when vk seems to mean J-rock for somepeople when it's really just a sub-genre >_> i've only really gotten into the Vk rock scene for maybe about 2 years so i'm still pretty much into my other subgenres as well ...and i kinda wish people would be more open to it ...but hell w/e there are plenty of places to still get that stuff too ...i get all my rare non-vk stuff over at either J-popsuki or jpopmusic from the most wonderful awesomest person ever voodooninjamunky ^^
Looks before music is so true i am too guilty of that T_T
you can still look good(make up and all) but please make you music unique and not sounding like a generic band with nothing new to offer y'know?
that is the trend with alot of visual bands, if you look it, then you better sound like it (even if it sucks)
and alot of even sounding good visual band like Celestia le ciel/Merveille magique suffer from not having the rugged,raw,fake-attitude,sexual, etc look or sound like most v-kei bands have. But they sound great IMO and they have their own unique look to them but they are often un-noticed to the "J-scene kids"
my 2 cents and whoring
www.myspace.com/celestialeciel
www.myspace.com/merveillemagique
XD go to their page and listen they are GOOD XDXD
Quotesuffer from not having the rugged,raw,fake-attitude,sexual, etc look or sound
You're wrong, bands suffer from
having that.
Quote from: idolcrash on February 20, 2007, 07:04:59 PM
Quotesuffer from not having the rugged,raw,fake-attitude,sexual, etc look or sound
You're wrong, bands suffer from having that.
tell that to the American Visual fans
but i get ya. ^_^
as for oshare kei bands I forgot to mention in the last post, I can see where their cute buble gum look can get them far but their music can suffer in just plain bad songs, thats the case for alot of bands, not all but alot , *sigh* looks arent everything people .T_T
^ Any American fan that thinks that is ignorant. You shouldn't generalize such a wide amount of people -_-;
Generalizations aren't bad when they are true, like with Jews.
And American VK fans are, on the whole, fucking morons :)
^lol ...that made me giggle
but i agree with ♥trick...especially since most of us base this on what people say and post on the internet and there are tons of american visual fans that don't post on forums and what not ... it's just from a small sample
and as for o-share kei bands ...I think it's just as bad people liking them just for their looks as people who write them off for the same reason =/ ...there are plenty of good oshare bands who do care about their music first and make great music ...and the looks before music thing is smth the fans seem to take priority in ...not neccesarily the band ...so yea ... I'm sleepy
Quote from: ♥trick on February 20, 2007, 08:32:46 PM
^ Any American fan that thinks that is ignorant. You shouldn't generalize such a wide amount of people -_-;
Ja, your right i mis-said what i was meaning to say ....(if that makes sense XD)
But yea a good percentage of the american VK/j-music fans are like that IMHO
But hey i'm not here to bash all bands, if i diddnt like the music i wouldnt be on here, right? Just making a opinion ^_^
Quote from: doaseternity6 on February 20, 2007, 01:04:09 AM
hey i'm trying to put some non-vk stuff on the tracker but no one really takes up on it xD
Pretty much.
Alot of the really good bands are from the early 90s anyways. You'll have a slice of tough bossom to find more than one quality download on both the tracker and the DD area on any given day. And when you post something non-japanese vk , people don't give two cents. ( hence why I deleted my vassline post and probaly won't upload too much anymore unless it's for LJ )
dingleberry gets /raped.
Just to let you know, I downloaded the Vassline stuff. I haven't listened to it yet, but thanks for uploading it.
I did too, and it was pretty good. I'm all for more hardcore and more thrash :D
i wish you hadn't deleted it arch cuz i didnt get to dl it :(
before I went to Japan, I struggled to keep up with the uploads on here... that was pretty awesome... now I am lucky to find something worthwhile once a week >>
VK is a style, you can't really say the music sucks because of what they wear o.O I mean, there are plenty of sub-genres to follow VK... let's take Lolita 23Q in comparison to say... Kagerou (or what was >>"")... both dress in a "visual" way, but both have incredibly different music.
I haven't seen anyone flaming for the idea of "non-JRock"... why not try uploading some... if you've got any ^^"" I'll support you! *screams revolution*
i can say VK sucks and I just did.
VK: serving closet case jobbers since Kuroyume broke up.
QuoteVK is a style, you can't really say the music sucks because of what they wear
Sure you can. But more importantly, VK has devolved (not that it was at any place of artistic integrity before) to a noticeable, and shitty, musical style. Listen to the Matina or PS bands and most other VK acts...all the same shit. AWESOME!1q!!
Quotelet's take Lolita 23Q in comparison to say... Kagerou (or what was >>"")... both dress in a "visual" way, but both have incredibly different music.
Kagerou was an aberration in the VK scene, they had good music and they always managed to evolve (see their early singles, compare them to the first album, then compare that to everything after that. Not only is it all good, it all showcases growth), but bands like this are exceedingly rare.
Quotewhy not try uploading some... if you've got any ^^"" I'll support you! *screams revolution*
Because there is plenty here (http://blackflowermusic.com/bt).
Quote from: TeamAwesome on March 01, 2007, 11:27:38 PMI haven't seen anyone flaming for the idea of "non-JRock"... why not try uploading some... if you've got any ^^"" I'll support you! *screams revolution*
Oh I have uploaded plenty non-jrock. WaT, Dong Bang Shin Ki, T.M.Revolution, The Trax, Se7en, and I plan on uploading more.
I finally listened to that Vassline stuff. It's pretty good! I played them on the air for my radio show this morning. Good stuff.
And yeah....that's the gimmick with VK. It can look however it wants to, and it won't necessarily let you know how it will sound. It does most of the time, if you pay close enough attention. But it's hard to sift through all the shit VK out there it's hard to find the really good stuff.
Quote from: Yumeko on March 03, 2007, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: TeamAwesome on March 01, 2007, 11:27:38 PMI haven't seen anyone flaming for the idea of "non-JRock"... why not try uploading some... if you've got any ^^"" I'll support you! *screams revolution*
Oh I have uploaded plenty non-jrock. WaT, Dong Bang Shin Ki, T.M.Revolution, The Trax, Se7en, and I plan on uploading more.
thanks going from gay oshare pop kei to gay pop, NO THANKS.
Win
Quote from: klavierbarrette on February 28, 2007, 12:06:56 AM
i wish you hadn't deleted it arch cuz i didnt get to dl it :(
You can get it from me on slsk. =3
K-POP is easy to find (esp the ones you listed off , they are mainstream groups , esp T.M Revolution , the trax and DBSK , no offense ). And who said I got flamed? I stated that hardly anyone gave two shites about non-jrock stuff. K-Rock is hard to find and it's worth the download 90% of the time , unlike alot of VK bands ( alot of them make me wonder who would waste the time to press cds for ... >< ) when maybe 1 out of 5 bands who original and good enough are worth the download.
You better have Dog, then.
Quote from: KUON on March 04, 2007, 01:03:55 PMthanks going from gay oshare pop kei to gay pop, NO THANKS.
Nobody is making you download it.
Quote from: ARCH☆ゾンビK-Rock is hard to find and it's worth the download 90% of the time
I just found a new krock band called Vanilla Unity which I will try to upload soon. Probably before this weekend.
Quote from: Yumeko on March 13, 2007, 09:15:29 PM
Quote from: KUON on March 04, 2007, 01:03:55 PMthanks going from gay oshare pop kei to gay pop, NO THANKS.
Nobody is making you download it.
Quote from: ARCH☆ゾンビK-Rock is hard to find and it's worth the download 90% of the time
I just found a new krock band called Vanilla Unity which I will try to upload soon. Probably before this weekend.
Vanilla Unity is awesome. I have some of thier stuff. Hope people appreciate you uploading it. =0
^They're really good. I first heard two of their songs on the Goong S OST and decided to look around for more and then got their first album. I really don't know if they've done music for anything else. All I have is the album and those two songs. Do you by chance have that album and a track list? One of the tracks doesn't have a title and I'd like to know the correct name.
Quote from: Yumeko on March 13, 2007, 10:44:02 PM
^They're really good. I first heard two of their songs on the Goong S OST and decided to look around for more and then got their first album. I really don't know if they've done music for anything else. All I have is the album and those two songs. Do you by chance have that album and a track list? One of the tracks doesn't have a title and I'd like to know the correct name.
Is Goong any good? Someone said it was as good as Sam Soon , but I haven't been able to find it.
I'll get the tracklist for you here :
Album is "LOv.e"
That should be thier first album , this is the tracklist I have. Sorry I don't have it romanized.
1. Gypsophila 안개꽃 (instrumental)
2. Something & More
3. 내가 널 어떻게 잊어
4. Crying On
5. Tomorrow
6. Understand
7. Hero
8. Sorry2
9. Crave
10. Singing Sun
11. Sorry
12. Trust Me
^Thank you very much! For some weird reason, although my computer can read the characters, the characters didn't show up. As far as Goong; I'm only 2 episodes into the first season and so far its very enjoyable; the episodes are very long though. I think I'm just used to japanese dramas. I saw the first three episodes of Goong S and although I thought that was very funny; it seems it didn't get very good reviews and people didn't like Se7en's acting. I really didn't think he was that bad.
^ oh please upload the vanilla unity stuff ...they are great but i only have 1 album >.<
EDIT_ forget it you already did yippe ~!
but while i'm here anyone else listen to rumble fish? i bought the first album when it came out 2004 and it is really really good ... but i can't find the second album anywhere (i think they only had 2), from what i've heard it's not as good as the first ... so i kind of wanted to hear it before i bought it so if anyone has it please upload (_ _ )
^They just put out a new mini album yesterday and I just got it. But unfortunately two of the songs skip. Thankfully they're ones I have. But one is like a special version with slightly different lyrics. Most of it is lives. There are three completely new songs.
o.o really omk awesome