ok seriously who loves this band? because i sure do. i think everything they've done in the past few years is freaking genius. their indie vk stuff is kindof ehh, like its still good, but its just not as defined as they are now. i think their past two singles Flight and Libra have both been extremely good, and i think its cool that they did a really dark song and then their next single was really poppy. i own Gokusai and i think its really good, and i wanna buy their live Budokan dvd soon, i watched some of it and it was so awesome. i think one of the coolest things about them is how Miya used to make just Korn ripoff guitar parts, but now he has such an awesome guitar style and can make songs of all different types. Yukke is also a very sick bassist and i dont think he gets enough cred for that. some his basslines have really wowed me, which is cool because a lot of jrock bassits i see suck. anyone else completely love this band??
Guns n roses fans don't like MUCC apparently.
I liked mucc alot , I just never listen to them anymore. o..o Don't know why.
I do like GekiGakuTai a bit more though.
Quote from: lovetrick on July 22, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
Guns n roses fans don't like MUCC apparently.
yeah isnt MUCC opening for them on a Japan tour or something?? i didnt realize that they even had a fanbase in Japan. guns n roses fans are pricks anyway. maybe they are just mad because MUCC puts out new music every few months and GNR hasnt made a cd in like 15 years. hell, i doubt GNR themselves even like MUCC, they've been known to diss on their opening acts, like referring to the Eagles of Death Metal as "Pigeons of Shit Metal". yeah good one Axel, write some fucking music.
mucc is really versatile, and i think that's why i love them so much. i like their earlier stuff a lot more (pre-zekku except for kuchiki no tou), but their new stuff is refreshing too.
they put on a great show too ^^
Quote from: lovetrick on July 22, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
Guns n roses fans don't like MUCC apparently.
*is an odd one out*
mucc is my fave japanese band and i grew up w/ gnr and they hold a special place in my music interests still even though they haven't made a cd in over a decade...
i heard about this awhile ago (like months..) i think....or am i trippin? i thought this gnr thing was over. i sort of fell out of my stalker mode with mucc for some weird reason.
i loves them ^^ i would write more but i have to go ...but yes they are in my top 10 favorite bands <3
EDITS_
okay like i was saying ...i love mucc... i love both old and new styles though i think i listen to pre kuchiki no tou a lot less then that album and on but they have a really nice and versatile discog. and tatsurou is defiantly one of my favorite vocalist and yukke is my favorite bassist <3 (i almost forgot to give him some love xD)
and no the Gnr thing was recent >.< i'm not a fan of gnr i never grew up with them or anything so i have nothing against them...they really have nothing to do with this at all anyway soooo basically i think it comes down to their being a certain amount of respect that an opening band deserves ...i mean when me and my friends saw d'espairays last year and that crappy band (opiate for the masses was it?) played we didn't boo them or throw stuff at them (though i would've liked to)...you don't have to like the band but at least a bit of respect... it takes guts going up there like that when you know your not the band people came to see >.< i hate it when fans act like that on both sides of the fence it's just stupid and uncalled for... i feel bad for mucc >.<
Quote from: signal to noise on July 22, 2007, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: lovetrick on July 22, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
Guns n roses fans don't like MUCC apparently.
yeah isnt MUCC opening for them on a Japan tour or something?? i didnt realize that they even had a fanbase in Japan. guns n roses fans are pricks anyway. maybe they are just mad because MUCC puts out new music every few months and GNR hasnt made a cd in like 15 years. hell, i doubt GNR themselves even like MUCC, they've been known to diss on their opening acts, like referring to the Eagles of Death Metal as "Pigeons of Shit Metal". yeah good one Axel, write some fucking music.
Axl's wrote an entire new album, he just doesnt know when to release it. and half the reason as to why they havent put a new album out is because 90% of the band left. sometimes writing music is harder to do when it's just one person doing it all. i do feel as if he should just call the next album an "Axl Rose" album though, because it's not really Guns N' Roses anymore.
Quote from: 4skin, on July 23, 2007, 06:37:17 AM
Quote from: signal to noise on July 22, 2007, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: lovetrick on July 22, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
Guns n roses fans don't like MUCC apparently.
yeah isnt MUCC opening for them on a Japan tour or something?? i didnt realize that they even had a fanbase in Japan. guns n roses fans are pricks anyway. maybe they are just mad because MUCC puts out new music every few months and GNR hasnt made a cd in like 15 years. hell, i doubt GNR themselves even like MUCC, they've been known to diss on their opening acts, like referring to the Eagles of Death Metal as "Pigeons of Shit Metal". yeah good one Axel, write some fucking music.
Axl's wrote an entire new album, he just doesnt know when to release it. and half the reason as to why they havent put a new album out is because 90% of the band left. sometimes writing music is harder to do when it's just one person doing it all. i do feel as if he should just call the next album an "Axl Rose" album though, because it's not really Guns N' Roses anymore.
some material leaked online, and i hadnt heard it, but friends of mine said its probably the worst music yet of the new millenium.
GNR was awesome, back in the day and that's where they should be; not in the present.
The whole reason they broke it off was because all the band members had a stick up their ass, which sucks.
But, what the fans did to ムック was unforgivable... really... Anyone else agree? They had no right, honestly. Sorry, that incident just really makes me angry, so I'm cutting this short.
I fucking love MUCC and I agree GnR should stay in the past.
Quote from: signal to noise on July 23, 2007, 09:08:26 AM
Quote from: 4skin, on July 23, 2007, 06:37:17 AM
Quote from: signal to noise on July 22, 2007, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: lovetrick on July 22, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
Guns n roses fans don't like MUCC apparently.
yeah isnt MUCC opening for them on a Japan tour or something?? i didnt realize that they even had a fanbase in Japan. guns n roses fans are pricks anyway. maybe they are just mad because MUCC puts out new music every few months and GNR hasnt made a cd in like 15 years. hell, i doubt GNR themselves even like MUCC, they've been known to diss on their opening acts, like referring to the Eagles of Death Metal as "Pigeons of Shit Metal". yeah good one Axel, write some fucking music.
Axl's wrote an entire new album, he just doesnt know when to release it. and half the reason as to why they havent put a new album out is because 90% of the band left. sometimes writing music is harder to do when it's just one person doing it all. i do feel as if he should just call the next album an "Axl Rose" album though, because it's not really Guns N' Roses anymore.
some material leaked online, and i hadnt heard it, but friends of mine said its probably the worst music yet of the new millenium.
it's actually quite good, IMO. especially live.
also, i feel like alot of this GNR bashing has resulted from anger due to what some
fans did to MUCC. i can understand why some of them did it. GNR havent toured in years, so alot of people were probably excited to see them, not an opening act. however, im not saying that what the fans did is excusable. personally, if i didn't like the opening act, i wouldve gone and bought a shirt or something.
so what happened anyway? they boo em, throw stuff, that whole thing?
cllick here (http://theothereast.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/mucc-gets-100-direspected-by-asshat-guns-fans)
Were they japanaese GnR fans?
Lol , I don't even see why MUCC is opening for them to begin with. Two completely diffrent styles imo , and era's to boot.
At any rate , I've seen that alot at concerts , most people only go to see the main act , not the opening one. ( I normally hate the opening acts , but don't boo them off the stage , unless it's linkiln park or puddle of mudd , then that's a diffrent story ).
yea Japanese fans...
and yea it's weird for them to be opening for Gnr in the first place considering the styles are completely different but it could've been just a great opportunity for them or w.e ya know ..it's a shame it turned out so crappy...theres no reason for people to act so shitty =/
lol, Axl wasnt late. he's actually usually always there, he just makes the fans wait longer. he's a really self centered person, but an amazing performer. Sebastian Bach (SkidRow) opened for the show here, and Axl could be seen behind the stage. Guns came on at 12am, ended at 2am.
im not fond of MUCC at all, but i felt bad that they were to be put in that situation. the bottom line is that there shouldnt have been an opening act at all, theres enough Guns material out to cover over 3 hours.
Quote from: Do As Eternity 6 on July 23, 2007, 11:13:35 PM
cllick here (http://theothereast.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/mucc-gets-100-direspected-by-asshat-guns-fans)
wow thats kindof fucked up beyond reason. people like that should be choked.
wtf how did i not know about that
agreed w/ 4skin, there didn't need to be an opening act....does anyone know how long it went on for?
unfortunately i don't know how long it was >.< but too long clearly ...i can't believe they made them come out and do an encore after all that =/ poor things
anyway supposedly their new single is coming out in September ^^ I'm not sure if it's chain ring though (the song they did for that anime thingy: chain ring preview (http://youtube.com/watch?v=BjeM55k2DSA&mode=related&search=)...i like it except for the yea yea part he sounds wierd singing that part yea >.< )because it said it was untitled but yea I'm anxious to hear any newness from them
yeah maybe Chain Ring will be the b-side off it, who knows. i cant imagine them making Chain Ring the a-side track of the single if its already been used for the anime ending theme for a good amount of time.
lol whats up w/ tatsurou in that. the anime cut of songs always sound weird tho i guess XD
i should watch that anime tho, i keep seeing it on bakaupdates and wanted to try it out but i hadn't heard anything on it.
Quote from: klavierbarrette on July 25, 2007, 12:42:06 AM
i should watch that anime tho, i keep seeing it on bakaupdates and wanted to try it out but i hadn't heard anything on it.
my friend said its really lame and it just rips off things from a bunch of other series and combines it together. one example is something really similar to the shinigami eyes from Death Note in it.
Quote from: signal to noise on July 25, 2007, 07:13:26 AM
Quote from: klavierbarrette on July 25, 2007, 12:42:06 AM
i should watch that anime tho, i keep seeing it on bakaupdates and wanted to try it out but i hadn't heard anything on it.
my friend said its really lame and it just rips off things from a bunch of other series and combines it together. one example is something really similar to the shinigami eyes from Death Note in it.
That's why anime is bad to watch. D: It's been a long time since I've seen one I've liked. -Tekkon Kinkreet of course.
I dunno why people are going "OMG POOR MUCC!". They're musicians, and as we all know people don't share the same likes. They should know via common sense that they'd be met with negative reactions onstage one day.
The fact Tatsurou got all shakey about it is ridiculous. Sure, the crowd was definitely disrespectful and at fault, but that doesn't change the fact that Tatsurou could've just said "Fuck you guys" and MUCC could've left the stage. They're not obligated to stay there and play for a bunch of assholes. Those people didn't deserve his apologies. Dir en grey were met with boo's and such at shows on the Family Values tour and other festivals and they didn't get all "boo hoo" about it (and I don't even like new Dir en grey). I understand that Tatsurou can be a sensitive person, but it's to be expected in music.
It's like that author who wrote that half-assed J-rock book that was supposedly "facts" when it was just uneducated opinion with little to no research done about the bands. When she was met with negative criticism she responded with things like "I don't see you writing a book" or really bad mouthed them.
Sure, it's a shame that they were treated so badly, but there's no reason for anyone to get all outraged (fans) and for MUCC to be so upset. In the end, they still have their fans and they'll still sell as well as they ever did.
^ they probably were obligated to stay, japanese contracts are a lot different than in the us and stuff
otherwise i think tatsurou would have been all fuck you and left, he's not the type of person really to play for people who hate him.
personally i would be upset if i was in a band and people disrespected me like that.
Quote from: klavierbarrette on July 25, 2007, 09:59:08 PM
^ they probably were obligated to stay, japanese contracts are a lot different than in the us and stuff
otherwise i think tatsurou would have been all fuck you and left, he's not the type of person really to play for people who hate him.
personally i would be upset if i was in a band and people disrespected me like that.
They didn't have a gun to their head. They could leave.
I'm with Formless on everything he said. Yea, the band shouldn't have shit thrown at them and equipment fucked up, HOWEVER...I think a band who writes music that had [heh, past tense] such anger and despair in their music shouldnt be so...scared.
That's beside the point.
As for MUCC....they used to be a big big favorite of mine. Zekku was a godlike album for it's time, as was Kuchiki no Tou. Then...something happened, they lost that edge they always had. That originality. Pretty soon, all their songs started sounding the same in every way. Houyoku was alright, but very formulaic. With Houyoku's singles though...came this...pop sound they had. Pretty soon the singles all had an identical sound and structure. It got refined and manufactured fast. The singles for Gokusai are a joke. Utagoe and Horizont?? Here was a band that had songs like Ware, Arubeki Basho and Zetsubou as singles, which were dark and sinister...to a song that was something I would expect from Yellowcard or Taking Back Sunday.
What annoys me is, if you're going to metal festivals [Wacken, Loud Park], and when you tour overseas and play your old material for the most part...how come you're not staying with that vibe or theme then? My answer? I personally think they sold out. In a bad way. Everyone knows Japan is notorious for it's pop and upbeat songs. MUCC pretty much bent over and succumbed to Japan's taste rather than staying with what they made themselves. I don't mind a song like Gerbera, but when the singles prior to it [Saishuu Ressha, Monokuro no Keshiki] and the singles after [Horizont, Utagoe, Flight] sound similar in vocal notes...song structure and in guitar riffage...then you make me question if your talent is there anymore.
As far as i'm concerned, MUCC sucks for that.
P.S. Don't get all bent outta shape because of my opinion, please spare me the typical jrockfan's view on what they think on what I said about the band they know and love. I don't care to debate what I feel is right in my heart about a band I loved a lot. So there you go.
mucc is an awesome band, i hope to hear more from them.
whats up with all the MUCC hate lately? i honestly think they are one of the most talented japanese bands out right now. people are saying their more recent stuff all sounds the same.. well.. how so?
Why don't you listen it and judge for yourself?
For me, their new stuff doesn't sound similarly - it all suck but in very different ways, they're doing all the hardest work to discriminate the face of jrock.
but their cover for lunasea v/a was good, you know Tatsuro, singing expressively is a rare thing these days.
Quote from: nekki_chibi on December 21, 2007, 07:09:00 AM
Why don't you listen it and judge for yourself?
how the fuck does that make the slightest bit of sense if i JUST said i thought they were the one of the most talented jrock bands?? i obviously like their music you fucking tool. i just dont know why people are so "eww MUCC is blehh" and then they go fucking listen to An Cafe or some other little girl bullshit, or just some COMPLETELY unoriginal band like Screw or Unsraw.
I agree with Karasu.
I dont really listen to mucc anymore and i think that's too bad cause I used to like mucc.
I dont really like their new stuff though, lol.
Their show'll be weird if I go.
mucc also don't have any originality - gokusai was the album where lots of unrelated styles were mixed, without any bands personal touch, the same with fuzz - it's just ripped of somewhere and shitty arranged.
and it's no point in mentioning unsraw in this thread - they're produced in completely other way, and I like their diru-likeness much more than mucc's recent shit.
(omg, 'original jrock' - this topic came to a dead end)
if we could have a non-vk jrock topic i'd love that.
but it wont happen.
I actually agree with signal to the extent that i like new Mucc. I thought Gokusai was great for the fact that it wasn't all the same style on one CD D: Iono i respect the fact that they changed i guess. After awhile the other stuff becomes kind of boring >.<
mmm i like MUCC in Zekuu album....
now Mucc i like a kind of happy punk o smoething like that...
isn't the Mucc whit sings like ZETSUBOU , WARE ARUBEKI BASHO...1979...
Great songs !!!
.: vulgarik:.
Quote from: nekki_chibi on December 21, 2007, 08:30:27 AM
mucc also don't have any originality - gokusai was the album where lots of unrelated styles were mixed, without any bands personal touch, the same with fuzz - it's just ripped of somewhere and shitty arranged.
and it's no point in mentioning unsraw in this thread - they're produced in completely other way, and I like their diru-likeness much more than mucc's recent shit.
(omg, 'original jrock' - this topic came to a dead end)
That's possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read. Unrelated? Hahah, every song had a surf theme. Or oh wait, maybe you've never heard of surf? Quelle tragédie! omgz
And ripped off what? Let's elaborate, so you're not just pulling shit out of your ass.
Shittily arranged? I guess you don't know what that means either. =///
Yeah, it's the "cool" thing to hate MUCC these days, nevermind no one has any logical reason why, other than their own shitty taste and what they perceive as "pop". ::)
Btw, your English sucks ass. /cheapshot ;)
See, this above post is why a typical Japanese music listener has no musical say whatsoever. You're getting offended from chibi's post which is opinionated, but yet at the same time...holds a lot of merit to what she [I assume that's a she] is saying.
And it's not a matter of 'cool' with hating on MUCC, it's a matter of seeing the same crap over and over again, just tweaked slightly each time, and getting flat out sick of it.
Quote from: nepenthes on January 03, 2008, 05:31:32 AM
Quote from: nekki_chibi on December 21, 2007, 08:30:27 AM
mucc also don't have any originality - gokusai was the album where lots of unrelated styles were mixed, without any bands personal touch, the same with fuzz - it's just ripped of somewhere and shitty arranged.
and it's no point in mentioning unsraw in this thread - they're produced in completely other way, and I like their diru-likeness much more than mucc's recent shit.
(omg, 'original jrock' - this topic came to a dead end)
That's possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read. Unrelated? Hahah, every song had a surf theme. Or oh wait, maybe you've never heard of surf? Quelle tragédie! omgz
And ripped off what? Let's elaborate, so you're not just pulling shit out of your ass.
Shittily arranged? I guess you don't know what that means either. =///
Yeah, it's the "cool" thing to hate MUCC these days, nevermind no one has any logical reason why, other than their own shitty taste and what they perceive as "pop". ::)
Btw, your English sucks ass. /cheapshot ;)
Stop spitting sperm here
GO AWAY AND SUCK AT ANY OTHER PLACE.
i dont really see how MUCC recycles stuff but slightly tweaks it each time. i love MUCC, and im not even a "typical" japanese music fan either. fuck, theres only like 10 japanese bands i listen to religiously in the first place.
Quotei dont really see how MUCC recycles stuff but slightly tweaks it each time.
Ever since Houyoku its been nothing but recyling or tweaking songs, but most songs...sound a lot like each other. At first I didn't mind it really because I thought at the time "It's MUCC, it still sounds cool and they rock". However, when Gokusai's singles came out...I start to step back and really look at MUCC and what they were doing. Hearing the song Gerbera and noticing how similar it sounded to Saishuu Ressha...Horizont also sounding similar to Ame no Orchestra.. When I say similar, I mean in the fact that they basically took the song structure and just changed the music notes a little bit and had the same vocal notes but tweaked slightly.
It's apparent that Tatsurou doesn't exactly have a wide vocal range, and for ages he's been hitting the same vocal notes or doing the same vocal style with same crescendos and shit. Same goes with Miya. He thinks because he can shred guitar solos, or randomly hit notes as he solos and just keep stumming the same music notes, its perfectly ok. No it's not ok. They just re-using the same stuff over and over but switching out little things and putting other things there.
Not only that, but doing that whole "We're gonna sell Pop singles then release metal and other random music on our album" thing isnt going to work a second time. And now look at their recent singles...they sound similar again. Flight is is similar to Utagoe [which btw, was the worst song they could ever do..because this band is not known for skater punk rock, and lo and behind..they did it again with Flight].
Now we have that abomination, FUZZ. Satochi is clearly not a drummer with them anymore, and Yukke is pretty much just playing around with that ridiculous bass, because like Satochi, he's been replaced by electronics and pop music.
They've sold out their integrity, their musicianship, hell their own souls...for profit. I dont know if it's their idea, or their record's idea. However, they're a band...if they did this to themselves, then I have no pity or shame in calling them flakes or sellouts. I mean, this band goes to the biggest metal festival in the world, the biggest japanese metal festival...and they come out with flight and fuzz!? It's bullshit. All of it is bullshit.
And please people, don't use the "They're a band thats allowed to evolve and try other shit". No, not buying that excuse. Because back in the day MUCC did try out other things, but they didnt lose themselves or lost their spirit when making songs like Mae E, or 1979. That's evolving and trying other shit, but doing shit that Good Charlotte or Blink 182 did years ago is not evolving, its de-evolving.
i can see how they recycle stuff, but it still doesn't change the fact that i still like them and continue to follow them. a band that's been around for 10 years is going to go back to some stuff maybe not even realising it. but yeah, their latest stuff especially has been 'recycled'. i don't however like how everyone points the finger at MUCC, when they are NOT the only band doing this. i hate to change it to Dir en grey like every freakin' topic, but they're the first that comes to mind.
although fuzz was seriously NOT like MUCC, and clearly influenced by other stuff, i really liked it. i did however, not like how they did, as you said, edit out a lot of the instruments and put in the electronics. but it somehow worked.
Quotei hate to change it to Dir en grey like every freakin' topic, but they're the first that comes to mind.
So..don't do it? This is a topic about MUCC, lets keep it that way and not try to compare every band to Dir en grey because that band is beyond all this crap now.
i think it would be different if MUCC making these poppier songs as singles actually got them to sell more, but i dont see them tearing up Oricon charts. and i dont really agree that they now are doing pop singles and metal album tracks. Gokusai wasnt that heavy, and neither were its singles. Gerbera was kindof heavy, Gokusai and the third track on it were kindof heavy, but i dont think they were pushing pop singles to sell a metal album.
QuoteGerbera was kindof heavy,
I actually started hating mucc releases after this single - (the same with fuzz - is reminds me russian pop-and-dance music of very early 90s with those irritating electronics) - I simply don't undestand how
this (http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=bqEbEmEVZLw) could be called music, heavy? good? it doesn't matter, for me it sucks too much,
and for me G. and following singles had the same feeling as Miyavizm album of miyavi, for example, brought - revealing they don't actually work on music anymore, they just compose it because they can do it (crafted vs inspired stuff), experienced enough to do it, blah blah blah
and a lot of people still listen to it, claiming they're tolerant to bands evolving, or, omg, they actually like these changes.
It also depends on one's musical background, maybe - but I can only discuss my bg, not someone's else.
oh! and the word dir en grey for this topic
DIR EN GREY.
to anyone that heads out to the theatres to see the new movie Cloverfield -
uhh... FUZZ??
this was listed in the credits as being played in the movie. yes, THE Fuzz, by THE Mucc. (but not really with the "the"s, im just saying i know what im talking about) i didnt even catch them play it in the movie, but im quite sure i know what scene it would have been in. so yeah. fun fact.
" The film often sacrifices niceties such as sound quality for authenticity. This may be the first big-budget Hollywood picture in history to go to so much trouble trying to look like crap." (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8006739?nclick_check=1)
Wow, I'm almost not surprised they've got mucc.
and im not surprised that you misquoted that by trying to apply it by their music choices of what to play in the scenes where radios were playing.
I ripped the phrase out of context because it sound pretty cool when quoted here.
Didn't see the movie, so have no idea when/where/what plays.
Best of MUCC is out in the US february 5th.
so they said their target is the US this year. well, they already had their song in Cloverfield, the Best Of is out in February, the new album is out in March, and they'll be on Taste of Chaos... and this is all done in the first quarter of the year. sounds like they know how to treat their US fans. Dir en grey should take a lesson from them.
Uh, Dir en grey came to America first, toured here twice in one year, and has had two albums come out along with a single here in America. I dont think they need pointers from MUCC, unless they wanna make an empty cash-grabbing pop song. Oooh Burn.
i appreciate all that Dir en grey has done for the US fans, and i've totally taken advantage of that by seeing them live a bunch of times and buying mad merch, but MUCC is doing all this shit in 3 months. i bet by the end of 2008 MUCC will actually have real popularity in the US and not just a cult following of the "jrock kids." as for Dir en grey, coming from a band who says things like "Japan doesnt like us anymore" (and yes, Kaoru has said that in interviews before) they still tend to do much better things for their japanese fans, most notably all the fanclub specials. besides, the US release of Marrow was a piece of crap, there was no bonus disc even for the first press, and all the booklets were fucked up and they were never corrected. maybe they should have Sony put out their albums and not an indie label out of someones basement. no to mention releasing a single in the US... thats cool if you dont want the japanese special one for the same price. releasing a single in the US is pointless, and selling it only at FYE stores is even worse. the connection between FYE and Dir en grey has sickened me.
Quote from: signal to noise on January 22, 2008, 09:38:07 PM
Dir en grey should take a lesson from them.
yes, especially, stop playing live and use pre-recorded sound
appear on tv
fit into main trends
sing about surfing
whatever
and I bet that by the end of 2008 mucc will be sharing music stores with tokio hotel
and maybe even win the charts.
'real popularity'? what the hell does that even mean? And also, can you find that interview with Kaoru saying that, because i'd like to read it. And i've found copies of Marrow at stores without the text mess up, and they sold out quickly. Also, who cares if Agitated was at FYE? it was cheap anyway when it was released. I dont like the store but I got the CD there, and that was it.
To be honest, the whole Dir en grey vs. MUCC thing is very juvenile IMO. They're both different bands [especially nowadays] and both bands are going seperate directions in terms of fans and music. MUCC's going mainstream and shooting out pop-rock songs where as Dir en grey is focusing their energy towards the hard rock/metalcore crowd.
And also, can you find that interview with Kaoru saying that, because i'd like to read it.
It's pretty believeable - Diru are not that popular since 2003
but still, their releases hit top oricon positions, and this link (I stole it from mucc community, lol) could speak clearly about bands overseas success - http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/special/charts/2007_all.html
(protip - watch mucc from the bottom)
Quote from: Karasu on January 23, 2008, 06:35:22 AM
'real popularity'? what the hell does that even mean?
Exactly how i explained it. Not just having "jrock" fans but get recognition from people who dont even know of japanese music.
Quote from: Karasu on January 23, 2008, 06:35:22 AM
And also, can you find that interview with Kaoru saying that, because i'd like to read it.
I looked again for literally like a half hour and didnt find it again, you'll just have to take my word for it. And it was from a real magazine, i didnt get it from some random person, and im not misquoting him, because i was shocked myself to see him admit that.
Quote from: Karasu on January 23, 2008, 06:35:22 AM
To be honest, the whole Dir en grey vs. MUCC thing is very juvenile IMO. They're both different bands [especially nowadays] and both bands are going seperate directions in terms of fans and music.
Obviously they are different bands, i wasnt trying to make a bitchfit over this, and im not trying to lump them together because they're both japanese. im just saying that im more satisfied with MUCC's plans for the US this year than what Dir en grey has been doing most recently. They havent been in the US in 6 months, it feels like what they did the past year was just a quick phase. If i get news that Dir en grey plans some more US interaction for this year, then i'll probably change my mind, but hearing news of all that MUCC is doing at the same time i heard news that Dir en grey is releasing yet another fanclub dvd for only their japanese fans, that kindof clashed eachother.
They havent been in the US in 6 months
Yes, because Europe and Japan are more important for Japanese bands
is that enough?
and needless to say, I'm pretty surprised. Just fucking two years ago no one could even imagine diru to have concert in US, and in 2008 _they haven't been in us for half of year_
wtf
Yeah i think the no US for six months thing is a bit extreme, lol.
Most bands only tour once a year or every two years.
Not to mention these guys are from the other side of the world.
Its a long time compared to what they did before. They were here in August-September of 06, February of 07, and then June of 07. Right now they dont have any announced dates as to when they are returning. So im probably just used to what they were pulling last year.
As for most bands only tour once a year or every two years... uhh...no?? Bands tour all year every year...
Japanese bands, ya. American/European bands, not so much. And we're talking about touring in America.
I don't know how often Dir en grey or MUCC visits Europe tho.
Quote from: signal to noise on January 23, 2008, 09:24:12 AM
As for most bands only tour once a year or every two years... uhh...no?? Bands tour all year every year...
if you haven't mentioned it, japanese bands are making tours as a supplement for releases
diru usually play one tour in half-dozen cities before any single/album release, and one - after
Quote from: signal to noise on January 23, 2008, 07:59:11 AM
Exactly how i explained it. Not just having "jrock" fans but get recognition from people who dont even know of japanese music.
I dont think Dir en grey's goal was to ever cater to jrock only fans, infact if anything they've been trying for years now to distance themselves from the jrock/vk scene. As of now I believe they are catering to the metal movement and hard rock movement here. Performing with bands like Deftones, KoRn, Bury Your Dead and performing at the metal and hard rock festivals in europe. If what you say is true, then shouldnt they have been at the jrock revolution like...gee...MUCC did? Come on man lol. Can't you see the contradiction there?
Quote from: signal to noise on January 23, 2008, 06:35:22 AM
I looked again for literally like a half hour and didnt find it again, you'll just have to take my word for it. And it was from a real magazine, i didnt get it from some random person, and im not misquoting him, because i was shocked myself to see him admit that.
Well I can understand Kaoru saying that. They're not the "IT" band anymore there. I'm sure their musical change affected the Japanese fans as much as it affected us, but the great thing is, they don't give a shit lmao. They followed their own wills and dreams to do what they wanted, and id rather them be true to themselves than sellout and change their music to get a quick-buck, which I personally feel MUCC has been done since 2005.
Quote from: signal to noise on January 23, 2008, 06:35:22 AM
Obviously they are different bands, i wasnt trying to make a bitchfit over this, and im not trying to lump them together because they're both japanese. im just saying that im more satisfied with MUCC's plans for the US this year than what Dir en grey has been doing most recently. They havent been in the US in 6 months, it feels like what they did the past year was just a quick phase. If i get news that Dir en grey plans some more US interaction for this year, then i'll probably change my mind, but hearing news of all that MUCC is doing at the same time i heard news that Dir en grey is releasing yet another fanclub dvd for only their japanese fans, that kindof clashed eachother.
I dont see the big deal with this "OMG MUCC IS COMING TO USA". First off, Taste of Chaos caters to the metal/hardcore crowd. MUCC isn't any of that really. Gokusai had 3 songs that I would define as having a metal edge...but put that shit up against their newest material and it means nothing. They dont have any place on that tour whatsoever. Also you said something about them releasing that Best Of CD here. I dont see how that's gonna help either. It's all singles recently that have that pop rock/pop punk sound they've been having since 2005...don't see how that will help them, other than making american j-rock fans want to buy it, and possibly latching on to fans who listen to Yellowcard, Simple Plan etc etc.
Kaoru said in that blabbermouth interview recently that the band right now as we speak are in the studio working on new material, and they plan on touring again this year in Europe, America and their homeland. And while on some level I agree with your some of your frustration on the AKnot only DVD...it's just a DVD what will easily be burned by someone so we call can check out the American concerts in some way. I mean lets admit it...we all illegally checked their music out and still do with new singles that get leaked or new albums lol. We eventually buy it, yes...but we still download shit from them.
alright. i think we can settle it at that haha. good points have been made. i didnt mean to be so anti Dir en grey, they are definitely my favorite band. and even if i did come up with an argument as good as yours, i think i'd still lose no matter what, being the only MUCC fan here :'( hahah
Well I hope you weren't thinking I was trying to win at an argument, I was merely stating the points which I know to be true, and showing the contradictions that MUCC has become. And I think all of us here are still MUCC fans, but most of us are very disappointed in what they have become.
Quote from: Karasu on January 24, 2008, 01:26:47 AM
And I think all of us here are still MUCC fans, but most of us are very disappointed in what they have become.
.... so
THEY SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK
Quote from: Karasu on January 24, 2008, 01:26:47 AM
Well I hope you weren't thinking I was trying to win at an argument, I was merely stating the points which I know to be true, and showing the contradictions that MUCC has become. And I think all of us here are still MUCC fans, but most of us are very disappointed in what they have become.
Well i mean, i dont think we were in a heated argument, just discussing clashing points, and i dunno, i think in the end you did state some better thought out things.
anyone know if theres another site where i can listen to samples of the songs on the new MUCC cd, aside from their official page? those are all Real Player, and last time i checked, every smart person does not have Real Player.
google real alternative codec
fuck. this album is gonna be tight. the second track sounds amazing. as with the song.. anjelier or however you'd romanjilate that. yet i cant tell the difference with the Flight and Libra "album versions." ah well it'll be good.
SHION.
DISCUSS.
Loved it. It feels like MUCC's trying to unify the music styles they've been doing into one unique piece.
I'm very impressed with this album. It totally exceeded my expectations.
This album sucks less then Gokusai and Houyoku ( I really liked 6 ). I actually have to admit that it's channeling european industrial styles and as much as I like track two (梟の揺り篭) its an alright album .
I have to admit it's not bad , then again I like more electronic things , which this album is for the most part. If they stay on this track , I can forgive them for Gokusai and Houyoku.
My only gripe is I can think of like 10 bands they sound like now off the bat , one of them being ooomph! a bit of She wants revenge , etc...
Track 6 and 7 are utter trash though , worst songs on the whole album...
She wants revenge is so new, you can't compare anybody to a band that new.
Bleah maybe i should listen to this, everyone seems to think it's pretty good. Taste of Chaos is in a week or so, i dont know if i wanna go. I used to like mucc alot but i kinda got out of the loop. Weuhhhh bloog
Quote from: MY BABY DADDAY P-GWIDDLES on March 27, 2008, 10:55:16 AM
She wants revenge is so new, you can't compare anybody to a band that new.
Bleah maybe i should listen to this, everyone seems to think it's pretty good. Taste of Chaos is in a week or so, i dont know if i wanna go. I used to like mucc alot but i kinda got out of the loop. Weuhhhh bloog
Not so much comparing , as it made me think of them when I was listening to the album.
It's not a bad album ,but it's not amazing , it's got alot of shakey tracks.
hahaha She Wants Revenge is pretty bad.
im not sure if i like this album more than Gokusai or not, but definitely not more than Houyoku because i think that one is my favorite. but i like how similar to Gokusai, a lot of the songs use different styles across the span of the album.
but yeah at taste of chaos they played 5 songs from this album, plus an older song that i didnt remember the name of, so if you're thinking about whether or not going to taste of chaos for mucc, judge it off how much you like the newest album.
oh and tracks 6 and 7 are definitely not utter trash.
This album is...tough for me to decide on. There are some parts that shine and even impress me, but there are some parts I am not thrilled with, and I infact hate a lot. Like Arch said, there are many bands in this album that are being ripped off, but yet its not MUCC being the one band to stand out. Its like i'm literally listening to KoRn one minute and then some bad representation of Muse, and then a random pop band from Japan. It feels like Gazette's Disorder in the fact that this album tries to go EVERYWHERE and doesn't focus on just being good on its own. And the fact that FUZZ is being played in a hardcore concert such as Taste of Chaos just makes me laugh at MUCC for being so insipid. If you're trying to win over scenester kiddies such as them, FUZZ is not the way to go.
Back to the album, I think the worst songs are FUZZ, Flight and that Anjelier. MUCC have a habit of overdoing a song style and whoring it out. Like with Flight..its pretty much Utagoe and I think we all can agree on that. Now this new song, Angelier is pretty much FUZZ with higher vocal notes [lets see tatsurou sing that live and do it consistantly lol]. I mean, It's an insult to their fans, because now they don't even give a shit if they overdo a song style on one album. One FUZZ was enough, we don't need another. Of course though, both songs are like Britney Spear's 'Toxic', You hate her...you can't stand her and her music...but you love that song with it's infectious beat. Well the same logic applies to these...songs.
Now on the other hand...some songs are just...really good. Chiisana Mado really has a dramatic feel and doesn't feel fake in its melodies. If Ame no Orchestra was like this, it would have been one of their best singles, but that phony violin sound they put in that song killed it. I think this time around, they learned from that mistake and used real instruments. Go them. Game was a nice song, as was Semishigure.
And this is the problem with MUCC, they KNOW how to make good music, but lately they have just been sucking royally with making music, and are just profiteering with cheap, bland pop music. And the sad thing is, people act like it's part of their 'evolution' and its not. It's De-evolution. How can you take a drum machine as evolution instead of letting Satochi drum? Oh that's right, you're just a sheep and will just take anything MUCC gives you as an act of God. Sorry, but you let MUCC get away with way too much bullshit.
So all in all...i'm being generous when I give this album a 6/10, because there are some gems in the album...but the rest is just refined pop, or overdone music styles, or hell...overdone vocal notes. How many times have we heard Tatsurou hit the same notes over and over throughout the years? About twice an album since Zekuu.
I believe that I am a fan of the voice of Tatsurou ...
Shion is beautiful album that does not show the aggressive MUCC that everyone wants to see and hear...
8/10
Shion & Sorawasure♥♥♥♥♥
Karasu, you make a few good points.
but FUZZ was the stand out song at Taste of Chaos. these guys in front of me who didnt know who the fuck MUCC was got really into it when they played FUZZ, and sang the "whoas" in the chorus.
but back to the album... i dunno about Flight being like Utagoe, just because they are upbeat songs. if anything, Flight is like a 10x better version of it, but i really dont think they sound anything alike.
as for Tatsuro being able to do Anjelier live... that shit isnt range, its falsetto, anyone can do it.
and i dont think theres so much bland poppy stuff on this album, i think its much heavier than Gokusai was.
I'm a very big MUCC fan and even I have to admit, I don't like it very much.
It's not bad, but it's not great. It's okay. But, I've only listened to it once. I found myself REALLY liking the intro song though? o_O
oh in case anyone was wondering, this is MUCC's setlist from when i saw them at Taste of Chaos (i had to wait to re-hear the new songs to make sure which was which, and then to clear the confusion of the names of the older songs hahah)-
Nuritsubusu nara Enji
Fukurou no Yurikago
Shion
FUZZ
Shadan
Libra
in that exact order too. and before the first song, there was a playback of the opening track, 666, off their album 6. which made me thought they were gonna go into Kuukyo na Heya, but that was only in my fanboy dreams i guess hahaha.
I saw this band live at TOC and it was soooo amazing! I love anguro kei so much!!! ^^
Yeah I saw them at TOC too. They're a lot more fun live than in studio. Really cool guys though. I met them at the meet and greet in Minneapolis