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Title: oshare kei
Post by: Culo on August 26, 2007, 01:56:15 AM
Hi.. I've been noticing that lately there's a LOT of oshare kei bands forming.
I know it's.. natural, it's what sells more, since it's not a secret most VK fans are teenager girls who also listen or used to listen to the backstreet boys and the like, but I think it's kind of scary the amount of oshare stuff that's been appearing since the past few years.
Now, I love some VK bands but I know the scene is not something to be proud of, and while I will defend the bands I like, I'll be the first one in critisize what I think puts VK in shame (for instance, the fandom).
Anyway this is not in the flame pit so it's not intended to offend anyone, if you like oshare kei, I'd like to know why... if it's just because of the looks, if it's because you fantasize with marrying the members or just two of them having a gay relationship, if it's because you like pop music with a bit of guitars, or what.

I'm still pondering.. for now I'm between "I hate it" and "I ignore it".

ikimashou


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: GEWALT on August 26, 2007, 02:06:58 AM
Hate it.

Reason? Listen to Aile and other shit.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Tsunetako on August 26, 2007, 02:16:03 AM
I like some of the poppy, electronic stuff. Just because the music isn't HXC ANGST doesn't mean it doesn't have any artistic merit. I think the whole level of hatred for oshare kei in general is ridiculous and juvenile. Sort of like the metalheads who call rap as a whole shitty.

(But most of the bands DO suck)



Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on August 26, 2007, 02:25:20 AM
gay

Cheer up emo fucks.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: カレン on August 26, 2007, 02:28:57 AM
A lot of the bands are terrible, but as the above poster said, sometimes you just want to listen to something fun. I don't listen to music because I think it's good, I listen to it because it's fun. Some oshare included. Granted I like old oshare more: Charlotte, Heart, Vinett. Also, Irokui, but I can't stand to listen to them, I only liked them live.

Oshare lives are great fun, if you like acting like an idiot.

To the OP: I don't know why people get so up in arms over it. Oshare is not taking over J-rock. It's not a new phenomenon. The heavier J-rock that's been popping up? That's a newer, more prevalent movement.

What you have to understand is the majority of Japanese visual fans aren't in it for the music. They're in it for the band members and the lives.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on August 26, 2007, 03:05:01 AM
hehe i knew it was only a matter of time before this came up =P

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I like some of the poppy, electronic stuff. Just because the music isn't HXC ANGST doesn't mean it doesn't have any artistic merit. I think the whole level of hatred for oshare kei in general is ridiculous and juvenile. Sort of like the metalheads who call rap as a whole shitty.

ditto

I don't really get the whole "OMG oshare kei is shit." movement. for one thing i don't get what's so wrong with a bit of up bit music ya know... and imho not every oshare band has omg sugary high happy happy fun time music. Sure there are terrible bands, for example i myself can't stand maybe the most prevalent faces of the scene an cafe, but not every band sounds like them and not every band should be lumped into the crap category. there's this big deal about oshare being garbage but there's crap in every genre of music. I say deal with it and lighten up a bit ...if you don't like it ignore it but i'm tired of people bitching about it all the time =/

as for why i listen to it, same reason i listen to any other type of music. When i hear a song and it sounds good i like it. I don't pick and choose what songs or artist i like based on genre so it would be pointless for me to say why i listen to said genre. I like certain bands in this field because their music sounds good to me not for the simple fact that they are oshare. If i hear a song and it gives me a feeling whether it be happy, sad, angry; i just want to groove to it or the different parts leave me in awe then i will like it =] that is all that matters...


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Culo on August 26, 2007, 03:16:06 AM
What you have to understand is the majority of Japanese visual fans aren't in it for the music. They're in it for the band members and the lives.

I know that, I read 2ch XD

BTW I forgot to mention, I actually do like 1 oshare band: Parfait. Just because two members there used to be in a great band called SyvaR..., and Parfait haves a similar sound (except more upbeat and happy, the oshare trademark... but still similar syvar compositions and synth/programming). So it's not like I'm a closed person who thinks all oshare is crap just because is oshare... just I've tried a lot of oshare in the past and they're all totally not of my taste (same can be said about the omg old sk00l matina bands anyway).
But yeah just like in the late 90s all the indies bands were dressing with black leather and colorful hairs, yet their music lacked any talent.. I think same is happening with oshare in the late 00's.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: reddish on August 26, 2007, 04:12:17 AM
If it sounds good I'll listen to it.

I just happen to listen to "HXC ANGST" more often.
Something about a man growling.. okay so maybe it isn't so much for the angst >_>;;;


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Masik on August 27, 2007, 06:36:23 PM
oshare kei is a reason why i stop to listen vk xP


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: 琴乃 on August 27, 2007, 11:23:01 PM
I don't like oshare kei, most of the bands have really crappy stuff, and the looks are pretty ridiculous. Also, the vocals tend to be annoying.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on August 28, 2007, 01:43:24 AM
i haven't been listening to much oshare lately but i like it along with the harder stuff.  i've sort of fallen out of a lot of oshare stuff lately, except for the fashion.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: baka_neko on August 28, 2007, 03:45:45 AM
Personally I like to listen to oshare kei, but it doesn't stop there. I just listen to a lot of things regardless of genre as long as it sounds good to me. Most of the time oshare makes me happy listening to it and well... as much as I love listening to dark depressing generic VK songs all the time, it makes for a nice break from the norm. I don't like how theres all this hate on oshare that like.. just because they're cute looking/sounding that they automatically suck and can't play worth anything. OH and since it might make a difference, I like oshare for the sound not the looks.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Vessicator on August 28, 2007, 07:27:47 AM
Dude where did 4skin, go? She was hot TAT

Does SID count as oshare or are they J-Pop now?


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: カレン on August 28, 2007, 01:37:44 PM
Well since Japan likes to base what scene you belong to from where you started, then SID are far from oshare. I guess they used to be something akin to angura. But now they're just crap.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Vessicator on August 28, 2007, 09:39:22 PM
Well since Japan likes to base what scene you belong to from where you started, then SID are far from oshare. I guess they used to be something akin to angura. But now they're just crap.

TAT


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: marron_san on September 07, 2007, 01:22:53 AM
it's nice to listen to some oshare kei bands. in most of situations they cheer me up and make me laugh hard for example AILE, their music is so sweet that i can't stop listening to it. as well, they are cute dorks.
sometimes even if the vocal is really crappy, like for SMILE, the lyrics are so funny that i enjoy listen to it <3

we shouldn't get oshare kei so serious. it's music for make us happy.
if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

@lovetrick: I was gay~告白~ or Pretty♥Vacation -夏-, haha <3


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on September 07, 2007, 01:48:01 AM
I don't like SMILE.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on September 07, 2007, 04:38:53 AM
we shouldn't get oshare kei so serious. it's music for make us happy.
if you don't like it, don't listen to it.
you make a very good point that a lot of people don't get or bring up (or at least i haven't seen it much)

oshare-kei is not 'serious'.  i think it's serious in a sense that they're bands making music and wanting to sell and all that, but for the most part, they're silly and stuff compared to any other bands.  it's mostly to make fans happy (with the exception of a few songs of course) and if people don't like it, i think they should ignore it, or at least dismiss it respectfully.  there's always a genre people don't like. 

i know the bright colors can sometimes be distracting, but my god man, you don't like it, there's no reason to go on a tangent.  k? ;) it just makes whoever look closeminded and often, dumb.

i really have no idea what compeled me to write this but yeah.  i don't care what you think of me.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on September 07, 2007, 06:57:32 PM
This is what irks me about oshare! People call AILE oshare because of their bright colors, but how many of AILE's songs aren't serious? The two songs they made pvs for, Romance Senki and Pretty Vacation, may be light hearted, but if you go out of your way to listen to them, you have songs like White Dear and Endless Sorrow (even going back to Tousetuka, or even further to Hakua no Tsubasa) that are anything but happy.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on September 08, 2007, 02:19:08 AM
to be honest not a lot of an cafe's are either.  i was kinda shocked when i saw them.  only recently have they been making a lot more happy/funny ones that i've noticed.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on September 08, 2007, 02:35:53 AM
¬_¬


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on September 08, 2007, 04:35:19 AM
lol i dont pay attention to many translations.  i did know about AILE, from your entries in your journal or the comm you have, i forget which.  prob both?

i forget what they say usually anyways.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: 凸(。☉౪ ⊙。)▁▇▀▀▀~~~卍 on September 10, 2007, 05:39:07 AM
This is what irks me about oshare! People call AILE oshare because of their bright colors, but how many of AILE's songs aren't serious? The two songs they made pvs for, Romance Senki and Pretty Vacation, may be light hearted, but if you go out of your way to listen to them, you have songs like White Dear and Endless Sorrow (even going back to Tousetuka, or even further to Hakua no Tsubasa) that are anything but happy.

yeh i agree.... its like lolita23q... both bands are hardly oshare... other than their looks...


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on September 10, 2007, 12:45:40 PM
you know ...it took me forever to realize lolita23q were even oshare =_=;


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on September 10, 2007, 03:27:17 PM
^ they aren't


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on September 10, 2007, 04:14:57 PM
really? why do people always lump them in with oshare-kei then? it's really confusing me because they don't seem oshare at all to me but that's what i've always been told that they are =_=


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: shogu on September 10, 2007, 04:51:43 PM
Well, since many people tend to classify bands based only on their looks, many bands are wrongfully put into Oshare-kei genre. XD

A part of me die everytime I see people tagging メロ as oshare. :/


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on September 10, 2007, 05:24:05 PM
really? why do people always lump them in with oshare-kei then? it's really confusing me because they don't seem oshare at all to me but that's what i've always been told that they are =_=

because people are dumb.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on September 10, 2007, 05:48:07 PM
^ okay point taken xD



Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on September 11, 2007, 09:04:06 PM
they used to look oshare SOMETIMES, ban just sorta threw everyone off.  ban is so lovable though.

then people would see their videos and go 'wth???'

i guess its sorta how people sometimes lump ayabie in oshare?  i dunno.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on September 12, 2007, 12:56:00 AM
^omg yes ayabie too ...those 2 have been messing me up because to me they've never looked oshare (well okay ayabie has recently but not before) but then i get e-bitch slapped by some overzealous fans >_> so i just kinda accepted that okay maybe they are oshare ...erm maybe... and i understand the ban thing lol he's definately the one throwing it off in lolita23q cuz he's oe reason i kind of accepted it... he sure does have the oshare look at times but ban is pure <3 *squishes him*


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: lovetrick on September 12, 2007, 01:36:16 AM
ayabie is just shit period.

i can't believe they got yume ;__;


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: 琴乃 on September 13, 2007, 12:04:10 AM
ayabie is just shit period.

Agreed.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on September 13, 2007, 12:05:08 AM
^omg yes ayabie too ...those 2 have been messing me up because to me they've never looked oshare (well okay ayabie has recently but not before) but then i get e-bitch slapped by some overzealous fans >_> so i just kinda accepted that okay maybe they are oshare ...erm maybe... and i understand the ban thing lol he's definately the one throwing it off in lolita23q cuz he's oe reason i kind of accepted it... he sure does have the oshare look at times but ban is pure <3 *squishes him*
i actually sorta meant that he had the oshare look but it was sorta well...a more VK (with the contacts, piercings, etc) 'oshare' look.  he wasn't really much of a 'girl', 'cause he looked so much more manly than most hime in bands.  especially their newer looks.  haha.  it's just really funny that people thought they were oshare.

in the pics of him not dressed up though, like this one, he looks a bit oshare however
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/klavi/ban36cz.jpg)

this one, though really small, shows he can pull off a hime look
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/klavi/20050819212628.jpg)

i just don't think they really set out to be really oshare, they just sorta liked the look of it?  if they did they didn't think it through much...or maybe in japan they are considered oshare in their earlier days.  i dunno.  just my opinion.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on September 13, 2007, 12:08:38 AM
^ lol i didn't mean he looked like girly oshare but smts he has the colors and whole elabarate oshare get-up going on like in the ishoku othello pv ^^ sorry if my terminology sucks but i think it's evident i don't know much on the proper classification of bands =/



Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: 非難GO-GO > バクチク on September 13, 2007, 12:39:05 PM
Personally I like Ayabie. *waits for bricks* I do think thier new look is pretty darn gay though , I liked older ayabie , but beggars can't be choosers. I haven't kept up with them in a bit , but I still like them as far as I know.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on September 13, 2007, 12:47:07 PM
^ hehe actually i like them too but i was just going to leave it alone xD...their new look is scaring me a bit but i still like their music so yea <_< >_> <_<


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Eimin on January 22, 2008, 09:36:01 PM
I love Oshare because I like the upbeat music and lyrics and colors. That they're cute is a bonus ;D


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: kakuryn on January 23, 2008, 06:19:41 PM
hmm I like some of the oshare fashion, but not the music very much. I love bright colors and everything but alot of it is just too much. I don't hate them. But only overdefensive internet tough guys jump around proclaim "OSHARE IS SHIT". It's fun to listen to. So you tough guys shouldnt take this shit so seriously. it just makes me lol at your gayness.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Vessicator on January 24, 2008, 03:00:46 AM
hmm I like some of the oshare fashion, but not the music very much. I love bright colors and everything but alot of it is just too much. I don't hate them. But only overdefensive internet tough guys jump around proclaim "OSHARE IS SHIT". It's fun to listen to. So you tough guys shouldnt take this shit so seriously. it just makes me lol at your gayness.

BUT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS SHIT SERIOUSLY. WE'RE TOUGH, DUH.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: kachida on January 24, 2008, 03:45:48 AM
I can listen to both oshare and non-oshare bands equally.

i like type of megamasso


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: godhunters on February 20, 2008, 02:00:33 PM
well i dont really care much about this cause i listen to variety of music genre. to me what matter most is GOOD music.........but i have to admit....there arent much good songs from oshare kei bands.........


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Alice the Sister on February 20, 2008, 08:46:54 PM
This thread is in the wrong section, this is the "music" discussion forum.


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Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: klavierbarrette on February 21, 2008, 01:59:18 AM
^ bahahaha <3


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: 凸(。☉౪ ⊙。)▁▇▀▀▀~~~卍 on March 01, 2008, 04:58:09 AM
This thread is in the wrong section, this is the "clitoris" discussion forum.


 ::)

^ bahahah x 2


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: MY BABY DADDAY P-GWIDDLES on March 01, 2008, 05:08:46 AM
This thread is in the wrong section, this is the "clitoris" discussion forum.


 ::)

^ bahahah x 2
dude stop.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: Alice the Sister on March 01, 2008, 05:22:37 AM
They're censoring our words again?  >:(


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: amazingAM on April 23, 2008, 11:48:48 PM
This thread is in the wrong section, this is the "clitoris" discussion forum.


 ::)

^ bahahah x 2
dude stop.


omg lolololol


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: signal to noise on April 24, 2008, 03:57:14 AM
correct me if im wrong, but Ayabie is oshare right?

because they really have the potential to ditch the schoolgirl outfits and be a sick band.


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: odoroboujohn on February 17, 2009, 04:21:41 AM
Hi.. I've been noticing that lately there's a LOT of oshare kei bands forming.
I know it's.. natural, it's what sells more, since it's not a secret most VK fans are teenager girls who also listen or used to listen to the backstreet boys and the like, but I think it's kind of scary the amount of oshare stuff that's been appearing since the past few years.
Now, I love some VK bands but I know the scene is not something to be proud of, and while I will defend the bands I like, I'll be the first one in critisize what I think puts VK in shame (for instance, the fandom).
Anyway this is not in the flame pit so it's not intended to offend anyone, if you like oshare kei, I'd like to know why... if it's just because of the looks, if it's because you fantasize with marrying the members or just two of them having a gay relationship, if it's because you like pop music with a bit of guitars, or what.

I'm still pondering.. for now I'm between "I hate it" and "I ignore it".

ikimashou

I like HeaRT because of "Endroll"  it's nothing special but I like that song as for the rest of oshare meh....


Title: Re: oshare kei
Post by: donl on March 16, 2009, 03:25:09 AM
Actually I don't care too much for Oshare. I don't hate it at all, but it's just not my type of music since I'm simply not a "happy" person. My life is pretty stressful and most of the time I feel tired and burned out, so I just can't imagine listening to Oshare anymore.

I remember listening to Ayabie and even AnCafe back in the day, but that was when I still had an optimistic view on things and tried to be "NYAPPY" n' shit... just to fake it.

So I guess it's not a question if to hate or love, instead you should ask yourself if it fits your taste.

[BTW I absolutely HATE Oshare-kei! I HATE these squeaky voices! I WANT TO KILL all the faggotry that comes from the gay band members! I want to hang them upside down and cut their throats!!]  :o