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Issues => Suggestions => Topic started by: Yumeko on July 05, 2007, 07:00:42 AM

Title: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 05, 2007, 07:00:42 AM
I notice in direct downloads that some albums/singles/artists/etc invoke a discussion of people's views and thoughts on the album.  Aside from one or two childish/ignorant remarks; usually everyone is fairly objective and the discussion is quite interesting.  I think it would be nice to have a forum just for serious discussions on music related topics specifically things like the above mentioned.  I know some people post stuff in general chat or the flame pit; but I feel like the flame pit is most definately not appropriate for what I'm suggesting and just the general chat area I don't think is appropriate as trying to have any kind of serious discussion there seems futile.  I think it would be great to have a moderated forum specifically for serious music discussion related to albums/singles/artists or concerts; ya know things that can be reviewed and stuff.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 05, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
ah like a review section? i think that would be nice ^^
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 05, 2007, 05:44:50 PM
^well kinda like a review section.  But more sort of a place for people to discuss.  Kinda like what people started doing in the GazettE stacked rubbish thread in direct downloads.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 05, 2007, 05:48:37 PM
yea i know what you mean ^^ i think it's a good idea cuz like you said we have certain artists threads in the general or flame-pit sections and it turns out to be either full out war or not a real serious discussion...also this would include more of  a discussion about the particular artists works or whatever which would be the whole kind of review aspect right
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 05, 2007, 07:40:15 PM
^ yah; I think it would be good.  It'd get people into more intelligent discussions and things would have to stay civil since it's not the flame pit or general chat.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: ZeroDyne on July 06, 2007, 09:41:27 PM
Try it in general discussion and see what happens. If it becomes fanboy land, you can use that as evidence :D
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 06, 2007, 10:22:21 PM
^ it's already been done.  just looking at any thread there and see.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 07, 2007, 02:31:41 AM
Is tonberry capable of this sort of discussion?
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 07, 2007, 03:09:16 AM
^ heh I don't really know.  But at least if there was a forum for it and moderators moderated it; I think it could work.  Cause there are enough people that post in direct downloads that manage to keep things together.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Champ213 on July 07, 2007, 03:14:26 AM
The moderators in this forum still mostly seem to shine through their absence.  ::)
Flames pop up everywhere, in the general discussion forum, the download threads... and the flames are getting more and more stupid too. Flames about kanji tattoos? Those ridicoulus wars about the pros and cons of giving credit (or demanding it when people didn't even rip it themselves)? This place is hopeless.  :D
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 07, 2007, 03:48:38 AM
we have mods o.O really i keep on forgetting =_=;;
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: DO on July 07, 2007, 04:07:26 AM
Quote from: Champ213 on July 07, 2007, 03:14:26 AM
The moderators in this forum still mostly seem to shine through their absence.  ::)
Flames pop up everywhere, in the general discussion forum, the download threads... and the flames are getting more and more stupid too. Flames about kanji tattoos? Those ridicoulus wars about the pros and cons of giving credit (or demanding it when people didn't even rip it themselves)? This place is hopeless.  :D

Quote from: Do As Eternity 6 on July 07, 2007, 03:48:38 AM
we have mods o.O really i keep on forgetting =_=;;

Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 07, 2007, 02:31:41 AM
Is tonberry capable of this sort of discussion?

Heh you guys are just negative. But in general if the forum is not up to your "standards" then you can simply not post here.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 07, 2007, 04:53:24 AM
Quote from: DO on July 07, 2007, 04:07:26 AM

Heh you guys are just negative.

yup yup sounds like me always viewing the glass half empty ya know =P

i was just kidding anyway but seriously though i almost never see them...the first time i actually knew we had mods was when that one topic in the general section got hijacked with trolls and it got teh thrown in the flame-pit yup yup

EDITS _ i just realized that thread was moved by you xD so i guess i didn't know we had mods until you made guidecca one yup yup that was when...

but anyway it doesn't matter the end point of all this is it would be nice to have an extra forum like this but it would only work if it were looked after a bit better then the general section is 
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Champ213 on July 07, 2007, 05:04:33 AM
Quote from: DO on July 07, 2007, 04:07:26 AM

Heh you guys are just negative. But in general if the forum is not up to your "standards" then you can simply not post here.


I mostly post my uploads here, because this forum seems to have the greatest audience of people who are likely to be interested in the stuff I upload.  :P (Except maybe after Batsu, but Batsu is worse for other reasons....)

I sometimes drop a line in the discussion forum, but the threads usually go down pretty quickly thanks to trolls and become uninteresting. *shrug* So yeah, when it comes to "serious music discussions" I actually do post elsewhere.

Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: fangy89 on July 07, 2007, 05:59:51 AM
I think the main reason there are so many flames is because of the maturity level...or the lack of one I should say (I'm not one to talk lol but there are definitely people more immature and annoyingly obnoxious than me). There's always those handfuls of incredibly bright people who go "this album sux. Period." and then have more of those same wonderful people attack them with flames. Hm...that description makes me think of a bunch of fire-breathing third-graders with PMS. But yeah anywho, even the people who actually form intelligent opinions get a bunch of these PMS-ers attacking them. I'm for this whole serious discussion forum thing, I'm just sayin that unless it is super duper heavily moderated with the flamers (and that makes me think of gay people! Yay!) being given warnings or kicked out all together, it doesn't really seem possible.

And that's my two cents. Obvious, yet pointless.  :D
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: klavierbarrette on July 07, 2007, 06:50:30 AM
i generally try to avoid the flamers, i think the problem is more on the other end, the people they're flaming. trying to defend yourself even if you feel it's called for (i get my fair share of flames) just makes it worse.

we have a lot of flamers/trolls here and while i like some of them, sometimes it's totally uncalled for.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: fangy89 on July 07, 2007, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: klavierbarrette on July 07, 2007, 06:50:30 AM
i generally try to avoid the flamers, i think the problem is more on the other end, the people they're flaming. trying to defend yourself even if you feel it's called for (i get my fair share of flames) just makes it worse.

we have a lot of flamers/trolls here and while i like some of them, sometimes it's totally uncalled for.

Mhm mhm...tru dat.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 07, 2007, 08:07:23 AM
Quote from: DO on July 07, 2007, 04:07:26 AM

Heh you guys are just negative. But in general if the forum is not up to your "standards" then you can simply not post here.

Being negative? Noooo.

Pessimistic perhaps.

I like Tonberry sometimes, I just don't think we're capably of having mature discussions. Not that I require this from out of my Tonberry experience, so I guess it wouldn't be part of my "standards". Because if it was, then I definitely wouldn't be posting here.

I'm only here for the cute girls on the covers of all those albums posted in the download area.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 07, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
what if this forum was password protected so only people that would use it right would have the password.  The only problem is is how do you decided who gets the password?  It's easy to pick who shouldn't get the password but heh yah
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: DO on July 07, 2007, 11:25:03 PM
It's so easy to set up a system that would make Tonberry exclusive but thats not what I was aiming for when I created the site.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 08, 2007, 12:31:55 AM
^ well I don't like password protected things either; but there are -a lot- of flamers here.  And I guess it comes down to keeping things the way they are and letting flamers hijack threads and ruin discussions or having one password protected forum to reward those that follow the rules and want to hang around here for more than just leeching.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 08, 2007, 02:52:28 AM
^ agreed. even if we had just one place to actually discuss things without our threads getting hijacked it would be nice...i don't like the idea of putting passwords on things either but i rather have at least a place for actual discussions than knowing pretty much when you make a thread it's going to get hijacked eventually
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: ipetcats on July 13, 2007, 04:04:07 AM
This is a good idea, but you like Alice the Sister keeps hinting, I don't think we're actually capable of discussions without arguing.  Personally, I like going to Batsu.org and reading their, "discussions."  They don't argue, but their I.Q.'s are nothing to be proud of (haha).

Although I give you props for trying, this just isn't a good idea.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: joesushi on July 13, 2007, 05:52:08 AM
Reviews would be a great idea or just a section for serious, fair music discussion.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: wonderword on July 13, 2007, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: joesushi on July 13, 2007, 05:52:08 AM
Reviews would be a great idea or just a section for serious, fair music discussion.

I can't even think about the flamewars that would result from a review section. It's painful to do so.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 13, 2007, 02:55:08 PM
@ ipetcats

Well I know -I'm- capable of having a serious discussion and I know there are others here like myself that could handle such discussions.  It's too bad you don't include yourself in that group.

@ Joesushi

If there was a forum like that here; people would report the flamers in there; I know I would.  And as long as mods follow up and penalize the people breaking the rules; then there should be no problems.  The reason people think a thread like this won't work is because there are a lot of flamers here that get away with a lot of shit and they're still here dishing it out and nobody is making them leave.  I mean there are some members here that I would've banned by now; but they're still here.  On top of that; I've seen people's threads get hijacked and one time one such thread was moved to the flame pit so then the flames were then allowed?  *shakes head* I know the admin moved it; but I still don't agree that was right unless the originator of the topic agreed it should be moved.

My suggestion is that the forum for serious discussions be set up so that you can ban the flamers from that forum.  For example; the forum could be set up for everyone to be allowed to post on it; but then anyone that starts flaming in there maybe gets a warning and if they keep doing it then they get banned from that forum specifically.  So then when they sign onto this site; they'll see everything -but- that forum.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: 非難GO-GO > バクチク on July 13, 2007, 05:25:40 PM
It's a good idea. I know I personally will not participate in alot of them , since I don't listen to alot of the VK that's talked about , but it's nice to have a actual discussion , rather than a Flame war.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Champ213 on July 13, 2007, 06:36:28 PM
Without active moderation a review section will just be flame pit IV (after the flame pit, the general forum and the DD forum).   :-\
Anyway, this is in its core the same discussion we had a while back here. (http://impact-media.me.uk/forums/index.php/topic,5247.0.html) I think the mods were changed after that but things aren't really much different now, are they? The admins' position seems to be laissez-faire-and-if-you-don't-like-it-leave-it. Fair enough. But then nobody should be surprised that 95% of the registered users just come here to leech the downloads.

There's nothing wrong with a good argument, but the childish flames in many threads here aren't good arguments.  :P

Or did I end up in Monty Python's Argument clinic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05EmK66Gsk) without noticing?  ;)

Man:  I came here for a good argument.
Arguer:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.

Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 13, 2007, 08:36:31 PM
Well it's very tempting to start a forum of my own for discussions and possibly direct downloads.

@ Arch

discussions don't just have to be about VK; but any artists actually.

@ Champ

You're right; I guess you can't expect people to participate much when the extent of their participation is mostly leeching. *sighs*
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: klavierbarrette on July 13, 2007, 10:03:06 PM
review forum/discussion forum = good idea in theory, but i think the flamers would flock to it.

i mean that's just setting it up for them....'DID YOU LIKE AN CAFE'S NEW SINGLE???'

yeah, we know how many oshare haters we have here.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: ipetcats on July 13, 2007, 11:28:03 PM
@ Yumeko
I do put myself in that group, but you have to look at statistics.
More than half of this forum isn't capable and the people who are actually interested would be a small amount.

It's a good idea, it's just no one would abide by the rules.

@klavierbarrette
Hahahaha.
You're right D:
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 13, 2007, 11:56:56 PM
Quote from: klavierbarrette on July 13, 2007, 10:03:06 PM
review forum/discussion forum = good idea in theory, but i think the flamers would flock to it.

i mean that's just setting it up for them....'DID YOU LIKE AN CAFE'S NEW SINGLE???'

yeah, we know how many oshare haters we have here.

lmao your so right xD

oh well it's been said before ...it's a great idea but it won't work without heavy moderation... people here won't all of a sudden grow-up but if we had rules and someone there to make sure the rules were followed i think it would be able to function

Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 13, 2007, 11:59:25 PM
@ ipetscats

I understand what you're saying.  I just find it disappointing that we can't have stuff like that here because others would ruin it.

@ Klavierbarrette

LOL true.  But people just have to have restraint.  If you don't like something; than don't waste your time on it.  It's like the people on DA that, even tho they don't like yaoi/shounen-ai art, they'll click on the damn image preview and look at the bigger version and then take the time to post something ignorant and mundane like 'ewww' or 'that's just wrong'.  It always makes me wonder why they even bother.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: ipetcats on July 14, 2007, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Yumeko on July 13, 2007, 11:59:25 PM
@ ipetscats

I understand what you're saying.  I just find it disappointing that we can't have stuff like that here because others would ruin it.

@ Klavierbarrette

LOL true.  But people just have to have restraint.  If you don't like something; than don't waste your time on it.  It's like the people on DA that, even tho they don't like yaoi/shounen-ai art, they'll click on the damn image preview and look at the bigger version and then take the time to post something ignorant and mundane like 'ewww' or 'that's just wrong'.  It always makes me wonder why they even bother.

It is disappointing.

andddd, haha, it's true!
It's like getting flamed on fanfiction.net for writing a fanfiction.
You just sit there, dumbfounded.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 12:11:24 AM
You know, sometimes you can ignore the flamer and continue on with the discussion without allowing he or she to derail the thread.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: 非難GO-GO > バクチク on July 14, 2007, 01:40:57 AM
Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 12:11:24 AM
You know, sometimes you can ignore the flamer and continue on with the discussion without allowing he or she to derail the thread.

I could not have said it better.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: ipetcats on July 14, 2007, 02:13:21 AM
Unless they stalk you, which some people do.
And others just don't like to go unnoticed.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 14, 2007, 02:20:02 AM
because the earth is not flat my friends... yea i just wanted to say that ....

i guess what i meant to say was because the world is not perfect and if it was where everyone thought that sensibly this thread wouldn't exist to begin with...hmmm was that what i meant to say... no it was smth more along the lines of what ipetcats said ...things don't get ignored so easily...and even if you try smts there's the one time where your just fed up or your annoyed as hell already and it just gets on your nerves... and you know you don't even have to respond but it still kind of just kills the mood of the thread ...
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 03:11:21 AM
Well.. I'm just saying that you shouldn't always allow a flamer to derail a thread. I've seen instances where people ignore it and move on. Certain communities can do that, and some just can't let things go. But there comes a time when you have to just let it go, or else you won't really have a productive forum environment. People troll and flame to get a reaction. If you stop giving them the reactions they so desperately want, they'll go away. And if they don't go away and it becomes a serious problem that's what administrators are for. Stalking is illegal.

I've been in so many different forum environments, that I can safely say I've seen it work. I've been the one who has flamed and baited people in certain instances. And it would've been a lot easier on them and for the sake of those forums if they would've ignored me.

Whoever said Dont Feed the Trolls might have been onto something. Some people are just plain dumb. If you're one of the lucky ones who isn't dumb then my advice to you is to wade through the dumb ones and make the trip worth it. There are plenty of serious discussions to be had about Asian Culture. I don't think they should be derailed simply because a handful of people have closed minds. However, they're entitled to their opinion as well.

Not everyone is perfect, but I think if there were too many rules it might not work. It's good to 'open' but to also be respectful. I'm disrespectful often here on Tonberry just for shits and giggles. Sometimes I feel like I'm using mockery to make some sort of point. Like with the VK Band - VK title download thing.

We could have serious discussions on here, but the people who wish to have them are the ones that have to follow the guidelines. The people who don't want to have serious discussions should just be ignored and not allowed to let a good thread go bad. And again, that's what "moderators" are for. They keep threads clean and make sure everyone plays nice. That's why I make statements about DO appointing mods with hardly any post counts. I was hoping for some staff who were regular posters and could have a rapport with the community and build discussions. There's still hardly any staff that add to the community. Not that I don't like whoever he appoints. Most of the people are pretty cool. I've talked with Guidecca on irc before and she's (he? I dunno) pretty nice.

But it's more than that.

With the way things stand, I don't see serious discussion lasting very long. Practically it would be self-moderated by the members who'd value the serious discussion and they wouldn't necessarily be obligated or have any official authority to actually moderate the discussion at all.

If we wanted serious discussion we'd have to put some things out on the table. We know things are going to get heated. They'll live. But will there be someone to actually help the threads prosper instead of just closing them when necessary? If we were to have serious discussion, I feel we'd need some moderators that harbor discussion and can cool people down and get the baiters to cool it. We'd also have to have let people know that sometimes it's not worth it to respond to flamers, etc. I don't know how well that'd go over... But it's something we all have to work on, and will have to do if you really really want serious music discussion. We're all capable of it, but it's hard to change I suppose.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 14, 2007, 03:22:28 AM
^^ that's better and i know what you mean...it's true there are plenty of places where the problem doesn't exist because people just don't pay attention to the trolls...however the last 2 paragraphs you wrote was basically what i was getting at ... that's what we lack here >.< and things don't change that easily ...which is why this is so ideal but meh will probably not happen anytime soon =/
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Champ213 on July 14, 2007, 03:42:23 AM
Not feeding the trolls is fair enough. But what you see very often around here is that the trolls feed each other. :D I can point to several threads were one group is basically trying to have a discussion (or just thank an uploader for a file), while a second group starts a pointless flame war about whatever. The first group actually does tend to ignore the second group, but the latter one is pretty content fighting out their private little grievances with each other on an open forum. It's kinda annoying and doesn't make thread worthwhile to read. I'm really not interested in reading who hates who for whatever reason.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 14, 2007, 03:46:13 AM
It's also ideal to expect everyone to ignore a flamer.  I know I can do it; but then you have one person that thinks they're funny and encourages with maybe something as simple as 'lol' or whatever.  And then you do have people that can't ignore it.  And sometimes I don't blame them when the troll/flamer is targeting one person and hitting below the belt.

I also agree about the mods here.  No offense to any of them or DO for picking them; but really mods should be people that are active poster; have a good reputation with the community; and care enough about the site to do their job and stay active and friendly without acting all powerful.  I'm not saying the mods don't do any of that.  But honestly; who are the mods?  I don't know who any of them are but maybe two ^^v

@ champ

that two; there are enough flamers here that they do encourage each other.  but that's all the more reason for mods to do something about this.  I don't think I've ever been on a forum where the flaming was this out of hand.  Now I've been on big forums with an equal amount of flamers; but considering the amount of flamers here out of the regular posters...it's a lot.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 14, 2007, 03:54:15 AM
Quote from: Champ213 on July 14, 2007, 03:42:23 AM
Not feeding the trolls is fair enough. But what you see very often around here is that the trolls feed each other. :D I can point to several threads were one group is basically trying to have a discussion (or just thank an uploader for a file), while a second group starts a pointless flame war about whatever. The first group actually does tend to ignore the second group, but the latter one is pretty content fighting out their private little grievances with each other on an open forum. It's kinda annoying and doesn't make thread worthwhile to read. I'm really not interested in reading who hates who for whatever reason.

this is sooooo true!!! lol the trolls often have flame wars among themselves even if the flame didn't even start with one group of flamers ...and once that snowballs the thread looses it's flow and can get ruined =_=
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 04:07:21 AM
heheheh perv.

you said snowball!

Perv!

Anyways...where were we?

I don't have a problem with most of the mods we have now. However, I do wish that they'd have a more active role in promoting topics and being established members on the forums and such. That's what staff are supposed to do when they're not doing technical stuff.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: fangy89 on July 14, 2007, 04:14:00 AM
Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 04:07:21 AM
heheheh perv.

you said snowball!

Perv!


You just ruined my Christmas... :'(
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Do As Eternity 6 on July 14, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
lmao i hope that was making some kind of point xD and now i will never have another snowball fight again thank you

and yea the mods seem like cool people *haven't really talked to them much though* but yea maybe if they were a little more apart of the community...or if we had someone who's already an active member being a mod...then they could go back to doing whatever their doing and that person whose here anyway can clean this place up a bit
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: ipetcats on July 14, 2007, 04:31:47 AM
But, most of the flamers know of each other and just take their anger out on here since they're blocked everywhere else... Well, that's what I see most of the time.

Quote from: fangy89 on July 14, 2007, 04:14:00 AM
Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 04:07:21 AM
heheheh perv.

you said snowball!

Perv!


You just ruined my Christmas... :'(

LOL
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 05:46:35 AM
Who are the flamers anyways?
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: fangy89 on July 14, 2007, 06:10:34 AM
Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 05:46:35 AM
Who are the flamers anyways?

Won't listing the flamers turn this thread into it's own flame pit, since you'd be "calling people out?" O_o
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 06:16:07 AM
Well perhaps it would be best left for another thread. However, I do think it should be addressed. Some may not realize they're doing it. If there's a problem, it should be addressed, right?
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: fangy89 on July 14, 2007, 06:28:15 AM
Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 06:16:07 AM
Well perhaps it would be best left for another thread. However, I do think it should be addressed. Some may not realize they're doing it. If there's a problem, it should be addressed, right?

True true...it just seems like it would turn really ugly really fast, plus you'd have people that would make said problem even worse by provoking things. Maybe it's something that should be dealt with through PMs or something...just so that it doesn't become a "free-for-all".
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 06:35:45 AM
but...but.. I need my drama   >:(
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: fangy89 on July 14, 2007, 06:37:27 AM
Quote from: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 06:35:45 AM
but...but.. I need my drama   >:(

Psh, that's what God invented Myspace for!
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 14, 2007, 06:58:39 AM
I think some of the flamers know who they are and are proud to be a flamer.  I can think of one right now and I'm sure we'd all be thinking of the same one :P
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Alice the Sister on July 14, 2007, 07:58:46 AM
At least I'm being artistic about it. Some flamers are absolutely boring. I'm here to entertain.  :D
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: baka_neko on July 14, 2007, 08:11:16 AM
Just talked to DO about this. It'll happen soon enough.. and I'll be the mod of it(and the rest of TT) :D So uh.. welcome your new leader? >:3
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: DO on July 14, 2007, 09:42:34 AM
New board added.
Title: Re: serious music discussion forum
Post by: Yumeko on July 14, 2007, 08:25:01 PM
YAY!  thank you mods/admin.

@ Alice

lol well you aren't terribly disruptive.