Tonberry

I think it's time to put an anti-leecher ratio limit, there just not enough people who seeds properly things after finished downloading. I don't think if it's applicable here but I think the best way it's to deny viewing new torrents to people who doesn't have at least a ratio of 0.3

I'm going to change the software Tonberry uses to something that is somewhat similar to the older Tonberry. I don't think I'm ever going to add ratio rules to the site I have never followed what the other tracker sites did simple because ratio rules are kinda lame.

Quote from: DO on May 03, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
I don't think I'm ever going to add ratio rules to the site I have never followed what the other tracker sites did simple because ratio rules are kinda lame.

Why not? It improves file sharing and gives more freedom to assidous releasers (like me) in order to release more stuff sooner, just watch the mo'some tonebender discography, 42 people completed it but I'm the only seeders by 2 weeks 'till now, I think it's kinda impolite this way.

To tell the truth I have yet to see any significant improvement between private ratio trackers vs. public trackers. In fact I'd say public trackers usually have more seeds/leechers compared to a private tracker.

While the whole ratio thing seems like a nice idea at first it has its shortcomings, for example let's look at jpopsuki:

• Their sharing rules are based on two parameters: total ratio and total upload, you have to fulfill both parameters in order to reduce your waiting time.
• If you create a new account you must have a ratio higher than 0.6 and a shiny total upload of at least 2GB in order to have no waiting time.
• The ratio issue is easily fixed, the upload issue is not. Since you have a waiting time you get less chance to seed the newest torrents, and we know those are the hot new ones and most people will want to get them; so this means people will spend even more time trying to reach their 2GB quota since they will have less people wanting to leech since they already got the stuff they wanted.
• However, there's another catch when it comes to ratio rules: DHT. As you might know modern bittorrent software uses DHT in order to operate without the need of a tracker, so in case the tracker goes down you can still get the files. But there's a catch, even if the tracker is refusing your connection due the ratio settings you can still get the files and totally bypass the tracker, and since you aren't registering anything with the tracker, any seeding you might do won't be reflected in the tracker's status.

And finally: public accounts. There are sites out there (like bugmenot) with the sole purpose of posting public accounts so you can bypass registration at certain sites. Jpopsuki has a public account, in fact, it was me who registered and posted it to bugmenot. So a lot of people are using that account besides me and they are using it to leech without having to wait; some of the people who use that account seed, some of them don't, it doesn't matter, the account has a 1.15 ratio with an upload of 2.68 TB and I'm sure a lot of people have benefited from it, seeding or not.

It's probably easy/better to ask the original uploader for a re-seed rather than try to get people to seed. Ratios don't make people seed, they just make it harder for people to get the files they want. If they are not going to seed, they are not going to seed, there's always a way to bypass the ratio filters.

i'd really like there to be some kind of ratio system, but then again my ratio would probably suck since my upload is so poor, but i think it helps.

one thing i would like is for the forum to tell us how many seeders and leechers their are for a torrent so we don't waste our time and go WTF when it suddenly stops at 90%

i didnt realize jpopsuki depended on upload size too i thought it was just ratio...because when i first signed up and got my ratio up i don't think i had 2GB u/l but then again it was a very very long time ago and i really don't have to worry about the ratio issue since mine is almost 3 i think it doesn't really cross my mind... well if it isn't the whole private tracker / ratio thing than what is it that keeps jpopsuki torrents seeded so nicely =_= *let's harness their seeding greatness*


*takes notes about bugmenot*

Quotewell if it isn't the whole private tracker / ratio thing than what is it that keeps jpopsuki torrents seeded so nicely =_= *let's harness their seeding greatness*

Based on my own non-scientific measuring I can tell you that the fact that Jpopsuki is at least ~20 times bigger than Tonberry helps.

• Tonberry Total Members: 6999
• Jpopsuki Total Members: 144915

(Based on forum accounts for both sites, so give or take some users)

Just compare the amount of torrents that get posted over there in the course of a day against the number of torrents that get posted here, and that's not even taking into account their forum posts:

• Tonberry Total Posts: 10744
• Jpopsuki Total Posts: 283174

That's quite a big difference in size, isn't it?

And just for fun let's compare us with a popular all purpose general public tracker such as Mininova:

• Total seeds: 3,642,267
• Total leechers: 4,244,771

And they have no such thing as ratio rules.

Size does matter.

ah you speak trueness ...i guess i just never looked into it enough *'m enlightened*

Quote from: Quorthon on May 03, 2007, 03:39:30 PM

Quote from: DO on May 03, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
I don't think I'm ever going to add ratio rules to the site I have never followed what the other tracker sites did simple because ratio rules are kinda lame.

Why not? It improves file sharing and gives more freedom to assidous releasers (like me) in order to release more stuff sooner, just watch the mo'some tonebender discography, 42 people completed it but I'm the only seeders by 2 weeks 'till now, I think it's kinda impolite this way.

Total Members: 7056 and we don't get donations. Don't you think that is kind of impolite? Bandwidth doesn't grow on trees ;) and running a site on a dedicated server is by no means cheap. But in all honesty I don't really care if anyone donates or not I just want have a site were people can trade music freely and without restrictions.

Ratio rules suck. Even though I seed like a madman I don't think you should be forced to do it. I don't post torrents here because I know there won't be any seeders. I know other people have mentioned this too. So I guess if you want more content, maybe you should seed more.

Quote from: Alice the Sister on May 08, 2007, 04:56:55 PM
I don't post torrents here because I know there won't be any seeders. I know other people have mentioned this too. So I guess if you want more content, maybe you should seed more.

Damn, ratio rules are made for that!!  >:(

I know plenty of communities that don't force ratio rules, but still have reasonable amounts of seeders. I guess it all depends on the community, too.

Tonberry is kind of stuck in a rut now. If they don't enforce ratio rules, they might risk less content. If they enforce ratio rules, people might go somewhere where there's no ratio rules or just give up on the torrents altogether.

If we had enough releasers, there'd be a chance we could get enough peers on those torrents in order to warrant peers sticking around. I post a lot of torrents on other sites, and I find that torrents that attract the most users usually have the most seeders. Ratio rules or not. If you want people to download your stuff and stick around you have to give them something good. Something that they'll want to keep seed for a long time.

to be honest, i hate leechers! but i hate uplaod ratio limits MORE! they suck shit, @ jpopsuki i was gonna post a dvd but couldnt cos of my ratio.... so. i think there are more seeds here than anywhere else! but i will say the ratio limit should be above 0.2!
thts so easy to avoid and means ppl tht upload NOTHING will have to :), so i think thats the best option imo. and if sum1 is under 0.2, it wont be hard to raise their ratio to that since its so low :)

ya... a low ratio limit is a good option because ppl don't really need to spend alot of time just seeding, as they can also download in this time without changing much of the ratio, or making it really lower

well i upload atleast 2.0 of every torrent i dl from here...and its sad to see that many just hit n´ run with the torrents...so yeah..please make a ratio system...

Seeding or not seeding? Well, anytime I download a torrent from here (and any other tracker), I seed it until i reach at least 1.2 (if my computer doesn't crash before it... >:()
But my question is: is important to share torrent even if noone asked for it or is it futile? I don't live in japan and I don't have any chance to know new bands or get new japanese music (my sources are tonberry and jpopsuki). Does it make sense creating a torrent for older things? I think that anyone of you has what I have. Would these torrents be useful or not? I'd like to help this site.

(and one day or another I should learn how to create and post a torrent  ;D)

Quote from: Stephane on May 14, 2007, 11:54:50 AMDoes it make sense creating a torrent for older things? I think that anyone of you has what I have. Would these torrents be useful or not?

Yes, it's important to share and seed older things. Why ? It's simple - when somebody becomes japanese music fan, he do not have all these older stuff. 2 years ago, when I started listening to japanese music, I was greenhorn, and I've found a lot of great music on Tonberry Torrents. Some older stuff too.

i agree a low ratio would be good cuz i mean unless you have suck internet or there's a lot of seeders (meaning you don't always upload a lot of kb) you would get that pretty much by dling something.

but deff need something where it shows if there's seeders or leechers.  please.  i hate dling a torrent and see there's nobody seeding it.

I too prefer a ratio controlled site. People are more grateful for what they get. Oink.uk and UKNOVA.com know how to run a torrent server. Keep a good ratio , only upload quality rips , making posts that inclue information , links , band info , cd info and where to buy it.

I mean really , the torrents on here are labeled so stupidly , not to mention having a crappy amount of seeders to leechers. Make people work for it , they will be more grateful and more willing to give back to the community.

Enforce a low ratio, like 0.2. That way the really slow uploaders can still get something from the community and not essentially be "leechers'

PLEASE fix a ratio system...im tired of having 10 torrents that wont dl anything just because noone is seeding  >:(

Quote from: PrismSub7 on May 15, 2007, 06:29:46 PM

Quote from: klavierbarrette on May 15, 2007, 04:37:10 AM
but deff need something where it shows if there's seeders or leechers.

you do know that you can click on "torrents" at the top of the page? ;)

whoah thank you, i thought that just linked to teh torrent section so i never bothered to look at it XD

Quoteim tired of having 10 torrents that wont dl anything just because noone is seeding

In order to avoid this as far as possible I always check if there are seeders before I start downloading a torrent - especially if it's not a very new one. If it doesn't show any seeders from the beginning I wouldn't bother to try and download.

Quote from: xbiinex on May 25, 2007, 08:07:38 PM

Quoteim tired of having 10 torrents that wont dl anything just because noone is seeding

In order to avoid this as far as possible I always check if there are seeders before I start downloading a torrent - especially if it's not a very new one. If it doesn't show any seeders from the beginning I wouldn't bother to try and download.

the thing is that 9 out of this ten torrents was added within 2 months so theyre indeed new...
or what do oyu call new?
and is it supposed to die that fast?

and what about new users that wants to find some of the older stuff?

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the thing is that 9 out of this ten torrents was added within 2 months so theyre indeed new...
or what do oyu call new?
and is it supposed to die that fast?

and what about new users that wants to find some of the older stuff?

well then I guess I would go to the reseed section, but still I think a lot of people just download and close the torrent once theyre finished, so a rate system wouldnt be that bad.

yeah...a ratio system/everyone must have a account to dl torrents. would indeed stop the leechers.

So, boss, what are we going to do?

because its so freaking annoying with all these leechers who doesent seed.

thanks to them i still havent been able to dl the whol mosome discog XD...

well... I've been trying to download gackt's jyougen no tsuki dvd for 6 months so far... For like 4 months I'm stuck in 88,1% and I have uploaded like 2x what I've downloaded :/ This is sad :~ If there were a ratio system this would be diferent!

Ratio FTW!

I agree. I have always a ratio better than 5, and it's annoying to wait 5 weeks just to download an album -.-

please delete all the torrents on the tracker and let people reupload them WITH A RATIO SYSTEM!!

ffs only 8 out of every torrents is actually seeded...there are mostly 0 seeders on 3465346 leechs.

there needsto be a ratio. on jpopsuki for example. there were 3 seeders. i was getting 100kb/s between them., over here a torrent with 10 seeders and 15 leechers  gave me 20kb/s max. :\

A ratio would be good, but I think the problem is that many people don't want to seed past a certain time. If we had more people, the leeching would be staggered and therefore the seeding would be too...

So mod, what are we going to do?

Why not have a ratio system that doesn't punish bad users, but rewards good users.
Give >2.0 users or common uploaders things like
1. Request section (the current request system is flaky)
2. Advanced torrent browser

By the way, are those 2 sections really needed?
Music __Latest news about the music and the bands
Music Discussion __Serious music discussion
They mostly crosstalk about the same things.

The forum and the tracker should be intergrated as one. Simple Machines has to have a plugin/module to do just that.

Make the torrent ratio show up on the users info when posting , or in the userinfo. Less people would probaly leech if thier ratio was public.

this is my suggestiion here..

well yeah,i agree to ratio system too but although they finished download and exceed to the limit ratio,of course they will cancel for seeding. isnt this just a waste method?

you should lock torrent/ddl forum for noobs that are under 30/40+ posts. this is a very good method. :)

i see that ddl forum is more suitable here than torrent. well,what i can say is im more into supporting direct download links :)  :)

i love tonberry torrents  :-*